tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post6957234950459838090..comments2023-12-26T11:47:27.310-05:00Comments on Enchanted Conversation: ARCHIVE ONLY : Snow White, By Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm, 1812 VersionKatewhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12808048937600688501noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-82102785045896662912017-03-29T08:37:32.434-04:002017-03-29T08:37:32.434-04:00http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/03/the-t...http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/03/the-trauma-of-facing-deportation?mbid=nl_170328_Daily&CNDID=49079515&spMailingID=10709031&spUserID=MTgzMDc4MDU2NDcwS0&spJobID=1122248743&spReportId=MTEyMjI0ODc0MwS2<br /><br />Not a comment on the story version here, but I just read this and can't get over it. I'd never heard of this, but the article suggests this "death-like trance" may go way back, part of something we've forgotten. I immediately thought of fairy tales and particularly Snow White. If you believe some fairy tales may have a real "core" element they're based on, I think it would look like this. Talk about security being ripped away - your mother's tried to have you killed and keeps coming back to finish the job herself (I cried throughout this article btw, it's just mind-blowing.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11146420322284572001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-39501035497019123522016-05-14T18:49:41.542-04:002016-05-14T18:49:41.542-04:00This is the most interesting version of Snow White...This is the most interesting version of Snow White. I appreciated seeing just how creepy the whole situation was. There was a time indeed when seven year old princesses married princes. The unrestrained evil of the Queen Mother is really remarkable.AlexandraChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955974877202853441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-62353097569569436572014-06-12T16:21:11.234-04:002014-06-12T16:21:11.234-04:00I truly loved how this did not resemble the Disney...I truly loved how this did not resemble the Disney movie in the slightest. It was nice to see that there was still that happy ending, just as most people picture as a "fairytale." I especially liked the fact that she was not wakened by true loves kiss, but rather by one of his servants hitting her in the back. Although this was not a very pleasant thing to picture, it was still an amusing thought that the servants thought nothing strange or weird of carrying around a dead body so that the prince could look at her all day long. I personally found it to be quite disturbing that he had planned on living his life this way. That was the one thing that I had enjoyed about the Disney version was that the moment he saw her, he had longed to kiss her, which when seen as a little kid you think it is cute and romantic, but seen as an adult you still find it to be a little bit on the creepy side. Over all, I thought this was a great version of the story and it was nice to finally be able to go back and read these as an adult.<br /><br />Taylor B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-57327490967738488402014-06-04T10:28:07.813-04:002014-06-04T10:28:07.813-04:00I must comment on the illustration included with t...I must comment on the illustration included with this story. The picture by WC Drupsteen immediately caught my eye. I think what attracted me initially was its similarities to pieces created by symbolist painter, Gustav Klimt. Drupsteen and Klimt are not similar in style by any means, but specific elements of the Snow White illustration are reminiscent of Klimt’s technical decisions. I first noticed the warm color palette that is slightly muted by the inclusion of green. Klimt’s pieces are very heavy on colored patterns, which are most often gold and other warm hues. Again mentioning the patterns, the Evil Queen’s robes in this depiction are red, broken up by white pattern and fringed with what could very well be gold sheer. This choice provides the viewer with a sense of opulence on the part of the Queen. The composition allows the eye to move from the left side of the page to the right with ease. The posture of the queen, aided by her pattern, draws us from the tail end of her dress, over her back, onto the equally patterned wall, and right onto the mirror on the wall. What I love about the mirror is the reflection. It is of the queens own face, tilted up, scrutinizing; not the cliché depiction of a floating male head. Last, but certainly not least, the inclusion of the running water in the basin, as well as what could be either a flaming hearth or light showing through curtain, gives the piece lively movement. What a pleasant piece to look at.<br /><br />-JP<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-4196665539740181482014-05-31T14:17:27.061-04:002014-05-31T14:17:27.061-04:00This version of Snow White is vastly different tha...This version of Snow White is vastly different than the Disney version I am used to. First of all, may I just say the mother/Queen is a terrifying woman. She’s incredibly vain, but then again, if you’re asking an enchanted mirror every day if you’re still the most beautiful woman of all, vanity is easily an assumed and deserving trait. I believe that vanity is what drove the Queen to desire a child in the first place. It would be natural for her to desire the unconditional love of a child, someone who would always be around to look up to her and admire her. Based on her vanity, she should have expected that her daughter would also be beautiful, but she never planned for Snow White to overpower her own beauty. The Queen must have only hoped that Snow White would be beautiful enough that all those who looked upon her would immediately think of her mother, the Queen, and think of her beauty. The Queen should have been more careful about what she wished for.<br />Rachel B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-38470308886427416892014-05-26T23:34:32.102-04:002014-05-26T23:34:32.102-04:00Wow, talk about people filled with psychiatric dis...Wow, talk about people filled with psychiatric disorders in this story! I guess the biggest difference is that now I am reading this story with the eyes of an adult and not watching the movie with the hyperactive imagination of a child. The queen is quite bipolar. First she wants a child of her own that is white as snow, red as blood, and as black as ebony. She gets her and once Snow White begins to appear as more beautiful she does a 180 and despises her? How terrible for a child to have a mother that is so vain that she cannot stand that her daughter is prettier than she. Then Snow White after running away and finding refuge with the seven dwarfs is either stupid or very, very trusting. Time after time she lets one supposed stranger after another lure her into engaging with them causing her presumed death. Let us not forget about the obsessive prince! He buys her dead body and spends his days watching her “sleep” because he thinks he’s in love. He definitely has some unresolved issues there. At the end she wakes up and decides to marry the lovely prince that bought her after presumably knowing him all of one day. To end the wedding festivities they decide to torture the old queen to death. Sounds like a great family to me (sarcasm!). It was a very entertaining story. I hadn’t watched or read Snow White in many years but this is definitely better than the movie. – Melinda P. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-15614760609439012532014-05-24T12:32:31.286-04:002014-05-24T12:32:31.286-04:00Wow, I must say that I didn't see that one com...Wow, I must say that I didn't see that one coming. Good for Snow White. If it were me I would have made her mother's death much worse. Hot shoes just aren't enough torture to endure for trying to kill your own child. I sort of liked this fairy tale just because the queen got what was coming to her but at the same time, as with reading Cinderella, it was just so different from what I know of Snow White. I guess I'm just going to have to come to terms with the fact that these are the original fairy tales and Disney changed them all to fit into our modern culture. This is going to take some getting used to throughout the semester! I found the fact that the prince or king (whatever he was) actually had his servants carry her coffin around everywhere he went, creepy! What a weirdo. Who wants to carry around a "dead" person? This guy had serious issues.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05766406596188639764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-19144340573794143382014-05-22T16:13:15.138-04:002014-05-22T16:13:15.138-04:00There are multiple things within the story of Snow...There are multiple things within the story of Snow White that are rather irritating to me. First of all, the Queen; why does she feel the need to ask a mirror day in and day out if she is the fairest and most beautiful of them all? This is another great example of how some people put way too much emphasis on and prioritize external beauty. Secondly, Snow White does tend to irritate me in this story by simply disobeying the dwarfs after they distinctly tell her not to answer the door for anyone or take anything from anyone. However; what does Snow White do? She answers the door both times and the second time eats an apple from a complete stranger and the end result is the same! Both times she ends up hurt and the second time even killed. However; just because these things irritate me doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy the story! These situations simply add a twist and plot making the story interesting as well. <br />Also, I wanted to add something that we discussed in class about this story earlier concerning the dwarfs and how they are perceived in the Disney movie Snow White and how they truly are in the story here. In the movie they are dirty, grungy, and gross; however in the story here they come across as neat and tidy and as our professor informed us they were quite clean individuals! <br />- Kelsey S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-21420330329433174942013-08-08T01:42:34.142-04:002013-08-08T01:42:34.142-04:00“Snow White’ is another one of those classic tales...“Snow White’ is another one of those classic tales which Disney has corrupted into a frolicking tale of dish-washing woodland creatures, and true love. In almost every version of “Snow White” there is absolutely no mention of any real love, but only that of a transparent love for all things beautiful and materialistic. The biblical reference of the seven deadly sins is at large throughout the tale in metaphorical form (seven dwarves, seven mountains, etc.) as well as the apparent presence of each actual sin whether displayed in the wicked queen or Snow herself. What really drives me crazy is the fact that Snow is just so darn stupid, opening up to the Queen in disguise and never learning her lesson! I’d almost venture to say she deserves if for lack of sensibility. Then the real cherry topper is the way her vanity and the creepy prince’s coveting of her beauty, is rewarded in the end with a grand wedding and a very public execution. How distasteful.HDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-72771465627847240532013-08-07T17:23:47.841-04:002013-08-07T17:23:47.841-04:00Warwick Goble’s painting of Snow White and the Sev...Warwick Goble’s painting of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is a wonderful piece of art. It is obvious that the dwarfs are simply amazed by the beauty that Snow White encompasses. I find their facial expressions to be quite humorous. The man on the far right seems to have lost all control of the muscles in his face, just staring at her without another thought in his mind except for her beauty. I also like the third man from the right in the red hat and red top. His smile and the way he is leaning in towards Snow White gives the impression that he is already willing to do anything that she may ask of them. I may be just another victim of Disney, but this is not the stature that I typically think of when I imagine the seven dwarfs but I still enjoy Goble’s portrayal. <br /><br />-Thomas LAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-33501210651611027762013-08-07T11:20:06.349-04:002013-08-07T11:20:06.349-04:00Snow White, By Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm, 1812 Versi...Snow White, By Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm, 1812 Version<br /><br />This fairy tale version of “Snow White” is much different than the cute kid friendly one I knew of when I was just a child. I began to notice a trend of obscure behavior from the beginning of the tale. The one detail from this fairy tale that somewhat shocked me was that when Snow’s mother wanted to kill her but to be sure she was dead she wanted to eat her lungs and liver. This disgusting act really surprised me reading this version because that was new to me. Snow’s mother wanted nothing but for Snow White to be dead so that she herself would be the most beautiful person. Another aspect of this version that was new to me was at the very end where Snow’s mother had to dance in hot iron shoes until she died. I guess this is kind of what the mother deserved since she tried to kill her one and only daughter on four separate occasions but I still found it shocking that she died in this version because I do not remember her dying in the movie that I grew up with. <br />-Tiffany P. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-66007840112685105292013-07-31T22:08:56.331-04:002013-07-31T22:08:56.331-04:00Honestly, at the risk of being incredibly “punny” ...Honestly, at the risk of being incredibly “punny” the apple really did not fall far from the tree in regards to Snow White and the Queen. Of course we like to think of the Queen as this evil person, after all, she make attempts on Snow’s life on four separate occasions. Snow really is not much worse than her mother though—at the risk of death Snow’s own yearning for more beauty is the motive each time she accepts gifts from the stranger who she knows she isn’t supposed to open the door to. Snow does not listen to the dwarves even after they tell her again and again not to open the door to strangers. The servants moving the body around don’t even know her, but still find her annoying. I wonder if they found her vanity just as annoying once she woke up. I find the ending of the story incredibly morbid. She tortures her mother by making her dance in hot shoes until she dies. When I read it, I can’t help but think Snow is really just mocking her mother once more reminding her who really is the beautiful one. Kristina T.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-22220766294679134702013-07-21T16:12:04.412-04:002013-07-21T16:12:04.412-04:00The dynamics of the relationship that Snow White h...The dynamics of the relationship that Snow White has with the rest of the characters are what really made this story. We see envy, vanity, greed and revenge all in one story. Snow is born with the qualities that her mother wished for her only to have to suffer her mother’s attempts at killing her for the rest of her life. We are told that the huntsman spared her life “because she was so beautiful.” This I believe is where we start to see that Snow’s life is dominated by her beauty. Her beauty is also what gives her a place to stay. The seven dwarves are portrayed as clean by nature and didn’t really need someone to keep the house neat and tidy. They take her on as sort of adoptive parents warn her about letting anyone inside the house. She attempts to heed their warning but is overtaken by her vanity. She can’t help but want the bodice laces or the glistening comb. In the end the apple is what took her life away. The apple might be representative of the “apple” we've come to associate with Adam and Eve. Perhaps showing that not only was she vain but was easily tempted. She also exhibits another adverse characteristic: the desire to exact revenge on her mother. Growing up we have an image of Snow that is a complete contrast to the ways she is portrayed in this version. She seems more similar to her mother than I would ever thought reading the “cleaned-up” versions. Joyce Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-58841274493949970012013-07-19T11:04:32.761-04:002013-07-19T11:04:32.761-04:00Snow White makes me want to shake my head and laug...Snow White makes me want to shake my head and laugh throughout the entire story. The vanity of the queen is over the top. Not to mention she is relentless in her pursuit of Snow White. She would likely have been diagnosed with some form of mental illness by today’s standards. The huntsman is a stereotypical villain with a change of heart, instead of sparing Snow White because she is so beautiful, maybe he should not kill her because she is a defenseless child. Despite the efforts of the dwarves, Snow White does not help herself out in the slightest. The dwarves warn her about the dangers of talking to strangers, but just like her mother, the queen, she allows her vanity to almost get her killed on three separate occasions. Finally the prince, an absolutely irrational character, lugs Snow White’s casket around with him until one of his servants, in a rare instance of lucidity in this tale, finally has enough. I wanted to jump into the story and personally thank the servant, but even then his actions lead to more outrageous events. Snow White awakes from her slumber, she and the prince get married, and the queen allows her vanity to lead her to her demise. The tale of Snow White is frustratingly fun. <br />-Adam Z.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16806591133010579402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-53146815550759139602012-11-25T21:17:13.991-05:002012-11-25T21:17:13.991-05:00I watched Disney’s Snow White for the first time i...I watched Disney’s Snow White for the first time in quite a while last year. I was really surprised that I didn’t like it as much as I use to. I didn’t remember it as being that far fetched. I mean how many people would just see someone and think “She is my true love and I am going to spend the rest of my life with her and live happily ever after. I guess I have become cynical in the last 10-15 years, but that is just too crazy. When I read this version of Snow White, it made me think even less of the Prince than what I already did. The Prince is just downright creepy. She is in a sleeping death and he want to keep her so that he can look upon her beauty forever. He forces his servants to carry her around so that she will be with him at all times. That is just too weird. <br />I thought it was very neat that they had a bit of the Goldilocks story in this version of Snow White when the Dwarfs are asking, “Who has been...?”<br /><br />Abbey WardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-66515831361326129262012-10-11T17:44:42.051-04:002012-10-11T17:44:42.051-04:00I am also a life- long fan of “Snow White”. I was...I am also a life- long fan of “Snow White”. I was surprised to see this version of the tale after reading the 1857 version by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm. They wrote the same tale, but changed a few details which made all the difference. What was most surprising to me in this particular version is that the Queen is actually Snow Whites birth mother, and not her step mother as in the 1857 version. I think this added an element of surprise because usually Snow White’s mother dies after she’s born and the Queen is her step mother. I think it intensifies the fact that the Queen would be so jealous of Snow White, her own daughter, that she would want her dead. I also found it interesting that in this version they actually state that Snow White is seven years old. Most other versions of the story leave her age a mystery. By telling her actual age in the story, it gives the reader more of an idea of how young she was to have to leave home and get married.Lauren D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-77272210249585094112012-10-11T17:37:28.515-04:002012-10-11T17:37:28.515-04:00I am also a life- long fan of “Snow White”. I was...I am also a life- long fan of “Snow White”. I was surprised to see this version of the tale after reading the 1857 version by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm. They wrote the same tale, but changed a few details which made all the difference. What was most surprising to me in this particular version is that the Queen is actually Snow Whites birth mother, and not her step mother as in the 1857 version. I think this added an element of surprise because usually Snow White’s mother dies after she’s born and the Queen is her step mother. I think it intensifies the fact that the Queen would be so jealous of Snow White, her own daughter, that she would want her dead. I also found it interesting that in this version they actually state that Snow White is seven years old. Most other versions of the story leave her age a mystery. By telling her actual age in the story, it gives the reader more of an idea of how young she was to have to leave home and get married.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-24893959899860446472012-06-01T07:01:18.540-04:002012-06-01T07:01:18.540-04:00This was always my favourite story as a child – I ...This was always my favourite story as a child – I think I just loved the idea of having seven little friends to fight with me against adversity! Re-reading it now it's clear I missed the darker aspects of the tale :SEssentialWriterhttps://twitter.com/essentialwriternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-49515629968874576202012-05-25T21:05:40.622-04:002012-05-25T21:05:40.622-04:00The prince is pretty lame in this version but at l...The prince is pretty lame in this version but at least he's not the philandering jerk like the one in the Sleeping Beauty/Talia tale. Wow...I need to re-read my collections of Grimm, Anderson, and Lang. I'm starting to wonder why I loved fairy tales so much in my youth. ;)Teresa Robesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03848939225552527941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-53584372316835290322012-05-11T00:24:20.087-04:002012-05-11T00:24:20.087-04:00I see the dates are 2011, so the invisible article...I see the dates are 2011, so the invisible article mystery makes sense to me now.<br /><br />Shame to have to wait, I was really enjoying these posts. Can't wait for the rest.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05842188961535968402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-55505063376925719892012-05-10T10:24:52.733-04:002012-05-10T10:24:52.733-04:00Hi Josh and Christie!
First, thanks for reading a...Hi Josh and Christie! <br />First, thanks for reading and commenting. The EC Fairy Tale Project is something I should probably be keeping in draft form, as I do not plan on announcing it officially until about 10 stories are finished. So I am putting really old dates on them.<br /><br />That used to insure that the posts just kind of hung out in the past until I was ready to update and make them official. It seems that now they are still popping up as new, but are just plain hard to access!<br /><br />I'll keep the next seven in draft until ready, but I am so glad you are reading the ones that are up. <br /><br />Please keep coming back and don't let my confusion about Dear Old Blogger deter you.Kate W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15498910344690088987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-30436871767340369742012-05-10T10:16:41.654-04:002012-05-10T10:16:41.654-04:00I am having the same trouble accessing the posts a...I am having the same trouble accessing the posts as Josh.<br /><br />Very interesting to think that Disney is the one who patriarch-ed (not a word) the story. I'm not fond of gender readings of fairy tales, myself.Christiehttp://spinstrawintogold.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8780933337735595498.post-34702297607740005032012-05-10T00:38:35.966-04:002012-05-10T00:38:35.966-04:00Thank you. My 6 year old daughter walked up behin...Thank you. My 6 year old daughter walked up behind me and demand this for her story, hot iron shoes and all. I especially like the Goldilocks parallels with the dwarfs. BTW, I only seem to be able to access these articles by clicking on a direct link to them; they don't appear when I click on your main website.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05842188961535968402noreply@blogger.com